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Splattersmash

Postby lotsofphil » Thu Aug 22, 2013 1:52 pm

Splattersmash does not care about: moxie, myst, init, elemental resistance, okay makes sense.

Splattersmash does not care about: weapon power, whether you have a weapon or not, +absolute weapon damage, +percent weapon damage, +elemental (stench is the only one I tested) damage

Splattersmash does care about: muscle, monster level, elemental alignment

Splattersmash does manifold damage (the Zombie HOA does not heal after splattersmash)

The only thing from http://kol.coldfront.net/thekolwiki/ind ... pon_Damage that it seems to care about is muscle.

This makes me think it is just hot Spectral Snapper. Except I don't think Snapper cares about ML...

data:
Against beanbats, 20/18/18 a/d/hp

420/263/265
Box offhand
Mongoose: +20%
Walrus: +4
Otter: +3
441, 441, 434, 437, 442

add in philter
840(420)/263/265
Box offhand
Mongoose: +20%
Walrus: +4
Otter: +3
855, 855, 857

add in wasabi soda
840(420)/263/265
Box offhand
Mongoose: +20%
Walrus: +4
Otter: +3
Wasabi: +150%
861, 854, 861

add in tobiko soda
840(420)/263/265
Box offhand
Mongoose: +20%
Walrus: +4
Otter: +3
Wasabi: +150%
Tobiko: +150%
856

add in occult
840(420)/(526)263/265
Box offhand
Mongoose: +20%
Walrus: +4
Otter: +3
Wasabi: +150%
Tobiko: +150%
853

add in serum
840(420)/(526)263/(530)265
Box offhand
Mongoose: +20%
Walrus: +4
Otter: +3
Wasabi: +150%
Tobiko: +150%
855

remove serum, occult, wasabi, tobiko
add stick-knif
849(420)/263/265
Box offhand
Mongoose: +20%
Walrus: +4
Otter: +3
Stick-knife +100%
870, 871

remove stick-knife, add giant gym membership card
840(420)/263/265
Box offhand
Mongoose: +20%
Walrus: +4
Otter: +3
Gym card: +15
855

add in can of spinach
840(420)/263/265
Box offhand
Mongoose: +20%
Walrus: +4
Otter: +3
Gym card: +15
Spinach: +30
859

add in sewer-drenched
840(420)/263/265
Box offhand
Mongoose: +20%
Walrus: +4
Otter: +3
Gym card: +15
Spinach: +30
Sewer: +100 stench
854

add elemental saucespher and black paint
840(420)/263/265
Box offhand
Mongoose: +20%
Walrus: +4
Otter: +3
Gym card: +15
Spinach: +30
Sewer: +100 stench
862

add beaten up chucks
857

add antique spear (200 power weapon)
854

remove chucks, spear, gym card, spinach, black paint, elemental
add stainless scarf, 2x carnivore button, Uncle Hobo stocking cap, vinyl shield, aria (42), drescher
840(420)/(356)263/(292)265
Box offhand
Mongoose: +20%
Walrus: +4
Otter: +3
+147 ML
707

add cool whip
712
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Re: Splattersmash

Postby lotsofphil » Thu Aug 22, 2013 2:13 pm

Same setup, add ferrigno's. SO 1680(420) muscle.

1698, 1699, 1701, 1700, 1700
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Re: Splattersmash

Postby lotsofphil » Fri Aug 23, 2013 11:57 am

Multiplier tests done at 872 buffed muscle. All over the place:
872 muscle, 25/22/20 knob lice, 22125, 22225, 22225, 22150, 22150, 22100 (implies 25x mult, wiki says 20)
872 muscle, 25/27/x knob guard, 884

872 muscle, 200/200/150, cave bars, 2106, 2130, 2118, 2106, 2121 (implies 3x mult, wiki says 10)

872 muscle, 106/93/109, ISoRE, 4085, 4075, 4055, 4075, 4080 (implies 5x mult, wiki says 20)
spunky princess, 820 91/82

872 muscle, 109/102/x, waltzers, 1614, 1612, 1612, 1616, 1604 (implies 1x mult, these are spooky, wiki says 2)
floating platter, 1622

So... it hits some group monsters for more than their wiki multiplier (which I assume comes from Bear Arms?), some for less and some for none. Great!
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Re: Splattersmash

Postby starwed » Fri Aug 23, 2013 7:50 pm

Do the combat messages refer to the number of opponents at all?

It could be some weird thing where how much you outmuscle them affects the multiplier?
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Re: Splattersmash

Postby lotsofphil » Fri Aug 23, 2013 9:35 pm

There is a different combat message for groups. I didn't realize the wiki was missing it.

I did not check that on the waltzers fight. By that point I was getting mighty confused.

I'm in ronin right now so of limited utility. Should be out in a couple of days.

edit: oh, and it appears to do 30-40(?) damage as a floor. When fighting big baddies I have seen 30-39 in limited testing. I assume 40 is out there, waiting for me to score big.
edit: the combat message isn't number specific. As in it says "in the middle of your enemies" not "in the middle of 20 of them"
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Re: Splattersmash

Postby lotsofphil » Sun Aug 25, 2013 8:49 am

You clobber the ground in the middle of the group of foes, unleashing a gout of lava which burns them for 1100 damage.

238 blue muscle against a 234 atk, 232 def knob lice.

800, 875, 950, 1000
192 blue muscle against a 236 atk, 233 def knob lice.

So that looks like the group multiplier is after the 30-40 base.

Splattersmash damage = (group multiplier) * (30-40 + XXX)
where XXX has something to do with muscle

238 mus, 231 def: 950, 975, 1000, 1025, 1075, 1100, 1175 dmg. That is a range of 25 * (38-47)
238, 232: 925, 1050
238, 230: 1000, 1075, 1200

so XXX is probably just (buffed muscle - monster def)
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Re: Splattersmash

Postby lotsofphil » Sun Aug 25, 2013 9:43 am

Waltzer message:
You clobber the ground in the middle of the group of foes, unleashing a gout of lava which burns them for 328 damage.
(333 muscle, 205 def)

Hors d'oeuvres message:
You clobber the ground next to your opponent, unleashing a gout of lava which burns it for 332 damage.
(333 muscle, 206 def)

So waltzers have the group message, but no multiplier.
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Re: Splattersmash

Postby lotsofphil » Sun Aug 25, 2013 10:15 am

Multiplier madness!

Monster: saucegeyser multiplier, bear hug multiplier, splattersmash multiplier

Waltzer: 2, 2, 1x
Big Wheelin' Twins: 2, 2, 1x
Bubblemint Twins: 2, 2, 1x
Mismatched Twins: 2, 2, 1x
Troll Twins: 2, 2, 1x
Pygmy assault squad: 2, 2, 1x
Family jewels: 2, 2, 1x
Twig and berries: 3, 3, 1x
Flock of stab bats: 4+, 4, 1x
Scarab beatles: 4+, 4, 1x
Bunch of rats: 4+, 5, 2x
swarm of lowercase As: 4+, 6, 2x
swarm of killer bees: 4+, 6, 2x
school of wizardfish: 4+, ???, 3x
Cave bar: 4+, 10, 3x1
Swarm of fudge wasps: 4+, ??, 5x
School of many: 4+, ??, 5x
ISoRE, 4+, 20, 5x
Swarm of fire ants: 4+, 20, 8x
Cloud of disembodied whiskers: 4+, 20, 8x
Giant swarm of whelps: 4+, 20, 12x
Knob lice: 4+, 20, 25x
6-kiss HM Zombie HOA: 4+, ??, 38x @ 6-kiss
5-kiss HM Zombie HOA: 4+, ??, 45x @ 5-kiss
4-kiss HM Zombie HOA: 4+, ??, 53x @ 4-kiss
1-kiss HM Zombie HOA: 4+, ??, 75x @ 1-kiss

If you can help me fill in any of the monsters on this list: http://kol.coldfront.net/thekolwiki/ind ... p_Monsters
I would appreciate it.
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Re: Splattersmash

Postby lotsofphil » Mon Aug 26, 2013 9:26 pm

Fixed scarab beatles, added 4 twins and fudge wasps.
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Re: Splattersmash

Postby starwed » Mon Aug 26, 2013 10:14 pm

So the multiplier could be <group size>/4, rounded up?

Hard to pin down without another effect that depends on group size and scales to higher numbers.
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Re: Splattersmash

Postby lotsofphil » Tue Aug 27, 2013 1:41 pm

We only really have 5 data points, since bear hug is unreliable:
(2,1)
(4,1)
(5,2)
(6,2)
(10,3)
("20",5)
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Re: Splattersmash

Postby lotsofphil » Tue Aug 27, 2013 9:21 pm

5-kiss HM ZHOA: 45x multiplier
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Re: Splattersmash

Postby lotsofphil » Thu Aug 29, 2013 2:45 pm

1-kiss HM ZHOA multiplier: 75x
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Re: Splattersmash

Postby lotsofphil » Tue Sep 03, 2013 2:05 pm

school of wizardfish: 3x splattersmash
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Re: Splattersmash

Postby lotsofphil » Wed Sep 04, 2013 2:13 pm

School of many added. Thank you techrat.

I am about out of monsters. The lack of groups between 10 and 20 makes this pretty tough to figure out. And group size is kind of meaningless independent of splattersmash multiplier.
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Re: Splattersmash

Postby starwed » Wed Sep 04, 2013 11:27 pm

I was wondering if the weird stepped behavior was a bug, so I reported it, and:
I wrote:... are the Bell and Splattersmash supposed to have this weird stepped multiplier? For instance, the bell does the same damage for groups of sizes 1 and 2, or 3 and 4, etc.

HotStuff wrote:
Yeah, that's a "feature" of making the damage numbers not be fractional. So, working as intended though not maybe the best possible implementation.
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Re: Splattersmash

Postby lotsofphil » Mon Sep 30, 2013 1:26 pm

4-kiss ZHOA added (53x) courtesy of antipasta.
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